it doesn't make sense in my opinion,it's only taking away manpower from tumbleweed.
it doesn't make sense in my opinion,it's only taking away manpower from tumbleweed,which is the source of it.
Yeah opensuse I heard is having staffing issues lol
Turns out everyone was "rotten flesh" and got kicked out
Even suse is like ya u gotta rename lol
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
Even suse is like ya u gotta rename lol
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
Turns out everyone was "rotten flesh" and got kicked out
it happened and i think it's normal to see such bs in projects backed by corporations.
Void is somehow slower than Fedora
Fedora isn't even rolling
Ya gentoo rolls slower than debian stable on a lot of packages
Gentoo has a lot of niche hardware uses that I imagine can sometimes slow things down
void is the slowest rolling possible,you get updates but many packages are left on older versions,it happened many times with vulnerabilities over the years that randomly the packages were older than the lastest that was affected,not affected by it/long term support version.
void is the slowest rolling possible,you get updates but many packages are left on older versions while others are bleeding edge,it happened many times with vulnerabilities over the years that randomly the packages were older than the lastest that was affected,not affected by it/long term support version.
Buf also you can point portage directly at git and be faster moving than even Arch testing
it's a strange thing but it makes it stable without any countermeasures like rollbacka
it's a strange thing but it makes it stable without any countermeasures like rollbacks
I'm not a fan of the rolling release model tbh
i even broke it badly one time and i only had ti relink every single service disabled,which it wasn't difficult to fine as there aren't a lot and runit is simple to manage once you know where everything is
i even broke it badly one time and i only had ti relink every single service disabled,which it wasn't difficult to fine as there aren't a lot and runit is simple to manage once you know where everything is (read all the docs available)
i even broke it badly one time and i only had ti relink every single service disabled,which it wasn't difficult to fine as there aren't a lot and runit is simple to manage once you know where everything is (read all the docs available).
I tried using Arch but didn't really like it
I did install gentoo too but mostly to learn
Never used void
void is a strange experience,the thing i can say is: different
i liked it a lot,my 2 go to distro
really straightforward
My two go to distros are Fedora and Debian
for me opensuse Leap and void
I haven't yet found a use for Debian for me.
in my opinion is the no brainer distro,you don't know what to do? install debian
I daily drove it for a month and honestly its fine
Every time I try Debian I'm like oh mint does this better, fedora does this better, arch does this better
Just always feel like I'm using an inferior distro in every metric
distro doesn't matter,the skill issue is infinite for everyonw
Debian's philosophy does hold it back sometimes
distro doesn't matter,the skill issue is infinite for everyone
i hated my arch experience,artix was better but still arch with fancy name.
I generally find Ubuntu based distros have more qol patches and less bugs
Debian deffo expects you to be a somewhat advanced user
i don't know,i skipped all the Ubuntu/Ubuntu based
same for fedora and rhel
I think it tries to be noob friendly but in doing so it hinders an advanced user
Ubuntu?
Debian
It doesn't feel like an advanced user distro to me it just gets in my way
Debian is not noob friendly
Really?
Other than ncurses nothing about it is really any more advanced than other distros
You have to manually edit config files to enable non-free and contrib repos
opensuse was a nightmare for my arch friend
Fedora its a button
U have to do that in Ubuntu too if u enable a ppa
Or a testing repo or whatever else u need
Upgrading Debian versions isn't straightfoward either
You actually don't
There's a GUI to add PPAs
Just nobody uses it
Ya I've used it before xd
is it true that you can't upgrade major version of fedora with dnf?
Testing repos tbf you should not be using unless you're a reasonably advanced user
sortof
There's a specific CLI tool
or wait a few days then use the GUI tool
that's unexpected,they need to fix it
you use sudo dnf system-upgrade rather than editing package manager config files to point to the new repo then updating
Debians definitely not hard to use for a new user it just doesn't do anything particularly well
fedora releases generally have wierd package conflicts if you upgrade on day one, which is why the gui tool takes a few days for it to be active
I've had to manually deconflict wine packages before
In reply to @karboreal:matrix.org
you use sudo dnf system-upgrade rather than editing package manager config files to point to the new repo then updating
dnf isn't as good at resolving package conflicts as apt
good enough for daily use but new fedora releases have issues upgrading a lot
Its normally fixed within a few days tho
So you can just wait it out
In reply to @karboreal:matrix.org
I've had to manually deconflict wine packages before
In reply to karboreal
I've had to manually deconflict wine packages before
In reply to karboreal
I've had to manually deconflict wine packages before
The repos are important to upgrade,only first party repos are accepted to upgrade the version and you can see what packages will change ownership to official relos before the install process if you installed them from the community repos.
The repos are important to upgrade,only first party repos are accepted to upgrade the version and you can see what packages will change ownership to official relos before the install process if you installed them from the community repos. If you still had problems or refused to do it it will finish the process and not update the system,you have to change to first party packages to do it.
The repos are important to upgrade,only first party repos are accepted to upgrade the version and you can see what packages will change ownership to official relos before the install process if you installed them from the community repos. If you still had problems or refused to do it it will finish the process and not update the system,you have to change to first party packages to do it,obviously faster after you do it.
The repos are important to upgrade,only first party repos are accepted to upgrade the version and you can see what packages will change ownership to official relos before the install process if you installed them from the community repos. If you still had problems or refused to do it it will finish the process and not update the system,you have to change to first party packages to do it,obviously faster after than before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVPhBSmMuq8
Yes, you can pick distro 1 if you want A, and there is distro 2 for B, and distro 3 is best at C — but what if I want A, B and C?
Maybe Debian is not the best in any specific category (debatable but let's assume it's true), but it's just good enough at everything. It's probably going to be worse than a specialized distro for a specific purpose but it's a generic OS which can do it all.
In reply to @rootlexx:unredacted.org
Yes, you can pick distro 1 if you want A, and there is distro 2 for B, and distro 3 is best at C — but what if I want A, B and C?
Maybe Debian is not the best in any specific category (debatable but let's assume it's true), but it's just good enough at everything. It's probably going to be worse than a specialized distro for a specific purpose but it's a generic OS which can do it all.
In reply to Алексей Шилин
Yes, you can pick distro 1 if you want A, and there is distro 2 for B, and distro 3 is best at C — but what if I want A, B and C?
Maybe Debian is not the best in any specific category (debatable but let's assume it's true), but it's just good enough at everything. It's probably going to be worse than a specialized distro for a specific purpose but it's a generic OS which can do it all.
In reply to Алексей Шилин
Yes, you can pick distro 1 if you want A, and there is distro 2 for B, and distro 3 is best at C — but what if I want A, B and C?
Maybe Debian is not the best in any specific category (debatable but let's assume it's true), but it's just good enough at everything. It's probably going to be worse than a specialized distro for a specific purpose but it's a generic OS which can do it all.
Debian is probably the best distro at doing what Debian does
which is changing as little as possible for an entire release whilst still provoding security patches
as a side-effect its generally less buggy than faster moving distros and actually tends to get more stable through the lifecycle of a release version
altho tbf Fedora isn't particuarly buggy
stability in Debian terms means more not being a moving target than not being buggy tbf, although its fairly good for not being buggy too
its a very conservative distro
i always use debian stable i don't bother testing nor sid
especially since tar.xz malicious version was in debian testing
my wishes are probably stupid, but I keep having a wish that Debian has its own desktop environment which targets debian releases, OR that Plasma targets debian releases lol. doesn't make much sense, does it?
Debian would either need to be a company which could pay for such a project like System76, or it would end up like Lumina DE.
I thought it was that Debian's main supported de was gnome so kde lags way behind
I'd probably recommend Kubuntu anyways better qol and rolling kde
I believe Kubuntu is about to get abandoned
no, not kubuntu. you confused me
kubuntu isn't rolling plasma
Debian doesn't have a main DE. GNOME is selected by default in the installer but that's it.
Are you a snap enjoyer?
did you mean KDE neon?
It's hard to recommend KDE Neon so probably not.
he said kubuntu is rolling kde, that's incorrect
kde neon is rolling kde
Maybe he meant Fedora IDK.
I just wanted to say that kde neon used to be, as you said, not a good recommendation. and soon it will be dead once KDE Linux comes out
and kubuntu has the exact same problem as debian - it's frozen for 2 years.
and kubuntu has the exact same problem as kdebian - it's frozen for 2 years.
though, I need to be fair towards my expectations — kdebian has been serving me excellent with the version they decided to ship. my ONLY issue with kdebian is the fact that the (plasma) number does not go up
though, I need to be fair towards my expectations — kdebian has been serving me excellent with the version they decided to ship. my ONLY issue with kdebian is the fact that the (plasma) number does not go up. meaning that this is a FOMO matter and nothing else.
Oh ok I just knew Kubuntu kde is always updated
Whatever it is newer release than Debian
Of course it is, it was released later.
and next year debian kde will be newer than kubuntu
Yep.
But yeah kde neon was never really a user distro afaik
Might need a different kde recommendation then 🤔
Not Debian not Kubuntu maybe fedora idk
Best KDE recommendation is Linux Mint with Cinnamon.
Yeah there u go lol
I'm kind of hesitant to recommend Mint Now that they're hitting their Wayland transition
Not that i prefer xorg but i don't want people bitching to me if cinnamon wayland doesnt work super well
I'm sure they'll switch to it by default only after they're 100% sure it's ready. They are quite conservative in a good way.
Ya but then I'm recommending xorg to people which is also not a great option
It works for most people.
People r asking for help with newer nvidia cards where I'd normally recommebd wayland
So idk what to recommend anymore everything too transitionary or doesn't do everything Id expect it to do
Zorin.
The Pro Ultimate SP3 edition.
Yeah freemium Linux distro to really show people the benefits of free software xd
I'm also not super keen on giving people like the most windows like experience possible im sure a lot of people would prefer that but I think a taskbar and start menu Is enough to get people started
Zorin is no more Windows than KDE.
I saw their promotional material when I asked savvynik and the Linux experiment and others why they were recommending zorin
So I looked at screenshots and was like oh this isn't a normal DE this has windows settings menus and other mimics
Could you show one?
Ya 1 sec
That's one of the "presets" they offer, their default looks more like Windows 10 or KDE.
Yeah
One needs to launch any app to know that it's certainly not Windows. I.e. they're not trying to do what some other distros did completely mimicking Windows L&F.
Ya I don't like that idea that Linux should be a drop in replacement for windows
I don't like it either. It gives false expectation that it will work like Windows which it won't.
Like this:
Yeah like that
I kind of reject the notion of familiarity being a metric too
My example I usually bring up is you don't just own a computer you also probably own a smart phone or a game console
Smartphone don't look like windows but you figured it out
Same as if you got a Chromebook when you're forced to learn something you learn it
I've met boomers that refuse to use anything but windows 8 because that was the last OS they learned so now they're trapped
TBF smartphone is a different device category so people are more willing to accept different UI.
Well that's why I mentioned Chromebooks cause they're also not windows like
I think an interface should be intuitive and easy to use without a manual but not necessarily just like windows 8
With all its flaws, GNOME is mostly unliked exactly because it threw away some things people were just used to, and so instead of learning they default to what they're familiar with.
Gnome threw away a lot of stuff people were actually using and needed
What people were used to using and therefor thought they needed.
Well stuff like double paned nautilus
A minimize button
Yep, exactly, the minimize button.
Only time I don't use a minimize button is if I'm on a wm
Then you're using it as you'd use Windows.
Or a Mac
Or a Chromebook
Yes.
Pretty much how I use any computer
Oh cinnamon has a taskbar its just like windows u don't need that
Ok well my Chromebook has a taskbar what now
So exactly that: familiarity.
The desktop was perfected in the 90s and never really changed that much after
Eventually we will move to something else but it probably won't be gnomes philosophy
Yeah, sure. I've heard it from every generation, and will continue hearing from new generations.
Ya like u still have a normal keyboard normal mouse normal desktop normal context menus
Cant fault people for using what everyone else is using
This doesn't mean you need a minimize button though.
Yeah I'm sure I could get by without one but when I do have it I use it a lot
Tiling WMs prove that a different workflow is certainly possible and can be productive for those who can use it.
But is gnome a tiling wm
no
No, but it's a different workflow.
there is a plugin tho iirc
Yeah its a floating de lol
So ooh just like windows
gnome is ok but its so rigid and its generally a bit more buggy than kde (somehow)
I crash gnome a lot yeah
Stable my ass
imagine Windows 3.1 if it had really smooth virtual desktops
The latter I can't agree with at all, having used both for many years (and continuing so).
I check the gnome bugtracker every now and then when I run into bugs xd
Kde is way more buggy In my experience but gnome is far from but free
gnome jumped to wayland before it was ready
and its still not ready
I run into KDE issues way more than GNOME issues.
That's why I'm. Worried about cinnamon is pretty much everyone jumps the gun with Wayland transitions
KDE never ever managed even a 2 week uptime for me.
also they purposefllu break all plugins every six months, which is annoying
Main reason i have low uptime is either a crash memory leak or i updated my artix install
I mean, it's the same model as in, say, Linux kernel: internals APIs are not stable and so modules don't work with other versions.
Sometimes kde related
The extensions situation always felt like a bit of a copout to remove functionality from gnome itself
GNOME extensions modify Shell internals which makes them very powerful but also fragile, it's a double-edged sword.
Not a problem for non-rolling distros though.
No we won't add that feature but you're welcome to run a couple versions behind and run them there
And rolling distros users like suffering so it's fine, too. %)
Ya especially using gnome that's peak suffering lol
In reply to @rootlexx:unredacted.org
Not a problem for non-rolling distros though.
nvidia tbf works suprisingly well with rolling distros
Was like 2 terminal commands in artix to get nvidia working
Yeah, I've been suffering on it for quite a few years now after abandoning KDE, so far so good.
until they don't
tbf the current project leader is kinda killing gnome by refusing to accept any feedback
I have 1 (one) extension installed.
going as far to tell people its easy because he can ignore what other people want
KDE's become my home since they've shown along with cosmic that they've more of an eye for accessibility than gnome
i always used vanilla gnome but now i use two extenions: supergfxct and the gsconnect for kde connect
i always used vanilla gnome but now i use two extenions: supergfxctl and the gsconnect for kde connect
Accessibility is a too broad term. Some stuff might be better in GNOME, some in KDE.
Cant back a project that scorns both the blind and low mobility
gnome tbf has a lot more keyboard binds
Very keyboard driven yewhb
After all, Orca and ATK are all GNOME projects.
i hate the fact that none of them has the Windows key binding for windows handling,the only good thing to copy
There's extension devs that help with it but then you're reliant on being a few versions behind like I said
Gnome devs don't get it because they don't have accessibility needs and can't comprehend those use cases
KDE's accessibility lead is blind iirc
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
There's extension devs that help with it but then you're reliant on being a few versions behind like I said
In reply to waffles
There's extension devs that help with it but then you're reliant on being a few versions behind like I said
Some people disagree with you: https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-doesnt-love-me-back-post-4-wayland-is-growing-up-and-now-we-dont-have-a-choice/
Yes he said gnomes magnifier is donkey balls so he made a kde one
I've read it
GNOME is the only reason Wayland accessibility is usable right now. The work they’ve done is real, and it’s miles ahead of anyone else.
No one else is quite on GNOME’s level.
KDE is trying — seriously trying. COSMIC too. I know that because I’ve spoken to the people behind them. They care. They’re listening. But GNOME is still the only desktop where accessibility isn’t a maybe — it’s a working reality.
GNOME is the only reason Wayland accessibility is usable right now. The work they’ve done is real, and it’s miles ahead of anyone else.
No one else is quite on GNOME’s level.
KDE is trying — seriously trying. COSMIC too. I know that because I’ve spoken to the people behind them. They care. They’re listening. But GNOME is still the only desktop where accessibility isn’t a maybe — it’s a working reality.
I've even setup a full accessibility suite on gnome it was extremely buggy and didn't work nearly as well as kde without any third party software
I did base on gnome for a while because kde wasn't there yet
But that quickly changed since that blogpost was written
"KDE is catching up — and has a legally blind developer leading accessibility improvements. " Yeh, Richie
Gnomes accessibility was just constant crashes bugs and other crap
You see, as I said accessibility is a broad term. In some areas GNOME's still better. And you're only dealing with a subset of accessibility issues.
Yeah a few of them!
KDE has caught up really fast, probably helped by Valve and now the German government pumping money in
And like I said gnome scorns the people I deal with
Does KDE have their own screen reader?
It was barely usable on a good day
Ask Ritchie idk what he uses
Orca IIRC.
You can also insfall a gnome extension called flypie but there's a non gnome equivalent called kando
Beauty of Linux you can install a gnome project without gnome itself
So KDE relies on a GNOME projects for its accessibility stuff. OK.
gnome project isn't all bad, just their desktop is too opinionated and lags behind kde a bit
So KDE relies on GNOME projects for its accessibility stuff. OK.
Gnome just doesn't have the same level of features anymore to compensate
But like I said you have no accessibility use cass so it's pearls to swine
The latter is not true. You need to be specific. If you're talking different Wayland protocols then yeah, it's true. But there are QoL features GNOME had for years and even decades, and they were only recently implemented in KDE. So it goes both ways.
That's where gnome suffere csuse the devs don't have a disability they can use to develop
its true as of 2026
yes in the past kde was the one that lagged behind
kiofuse is still a piece if crap. GVFS works.
That's just one example.
we're talking desktops
Working with files is part of desktop.
Be warned he's a bit snakeyb
Gotta catch him weaseling before it derails
its specialist tho and you can just use a non-KDE program
Are you still upset about when you tried to prove something but couldn't and blamed me instead? 😁
No I'm just watching this conversation and our current conversation and how you tried to derail it
Oh I'm so sorry I hurt your feelings this much.
Its fine just gotta warn the others not to get off topic cause u wanna bring up something unrelated
But it looks like they caught it so it's good
How's it special?
You failed to provide arguments in favor of your position, I disagreed with you and you went 'You're just lying!!!11'. I remember.
Yeah but now I'm talking about now
Anyways dw about it they caught it
If you want an example of something which is tied to the visual part of desktop, I'm actively using dynamic workspaces: they are added when I need them and then removed automatically. I can't replicate this in KDE without a load of issues.
I think I figured out what kind of DE would be a good fit for me on Debian. Not that this will happen, mind you, I'm just gonna say what would probably make me happy:
If KDE would introduce an LTS version that lines-up with Debian release so that Forky releases with 6 months old KDE which is already at patch number ~5 at the time of Forky release and by the time Debian 15 releases, Forky already received, like, 20 KDE patches because it's LTS version.
Personally I did not have issues with KDE 6.3.6 but I have heard that other people did. This is good reason for more patches in my imagined LTS version.
They tried it and they failed. So yeah I wouldn't hold my breath for KDE LTS.
But last point releases should be good enough.
I know it would require additional resources in development
this is where I draw my inspiration:
Notice tho that none of those r fast moving des
Why do u think I run rolling kde the updates are usually bug fixes
But last point releases of a branch should be good enough.
Mint is not really LTS when it comes to Cinnamon: they're pushing new features and it's basically rolling. System76 is now even more so since COSMIC is in early stages and therefore in very active development. (Still can't believe they went with it in an LTS release.)
in my experience KDE updates are introducing bugs that I don't have on Debian KDE
So at least from the Linux side none of the mentioned are a proper LTS model.
TBF this is true for all software which is constantly changing.
that's a better example of a feature KDE lacks yeh
my experience does not mean everyone's experience. but LTS KDE, I think, would be a good idea
I'd like an LTS KDE
Wasn't KDE 5 an LTS for a bit
i tried kde many time but i still hat baloo file and the random cpu usage spike for a file search into dolphin
I'm afraid you're a minority though. KDE has always been about shiny new features so that's what their userbase wants for the most part. Not sure many people care about LTS.
i tried kde many time but i still hate baloo file and the random cpu usage spike for a file search into dolphin
that is true KDE is generally more focused on new features
would it be too much work for debian developers to make their plasma an LTS plasma?
I don't think that rules out an LTS KDE tho
In reply to @rootlexx:unredacted.org
I'm afraid you're a minority though. KDE has always been about shiny new features so that's what their userbase wants for the most part. Not sure many people care about LTS.
They certainly can try backporting fixes for critical issues.
Oh gee don't start on defualts
eh, gnome has some wierd wayland issues still that KDE have fixed
Don't you know nothing is default in linux
like HDR is broken on gnome
default on "workstation distros",fedora has the every version thing i hate,fedora workstation has gnome,rhel gnome,sle gnome,ubuntu gnome. All the "workstation"/"enteprise distros" have gnome has default.
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
Oh gee don't start on defualts
We had like an hour long convo about defaults lol
In reply to waffles
Oh gee don't start on defualts
KDE versatility and customizability goes against it in a corporate workstation desktop.
maybe that's all it takes. if forky plasma will have some bugs, maybe they can just backport those bug fixes and that's it
tbf what works for home user can often be quite different to what works for enterprise user
or maybe I should learn C++ after all and help KDE to iron out bugs in Plasma 6.9 or whichever will be in forky
learn rust and insist on rewriting the entire thing
I am a bit allergic to rust
I'm learning a bit to pass the time currently
the fact I already know a couple C-like languages is probably making it harder because rust can be a bit wierd
tool is tool, who cares
to be fair towards rust, I am not really interested in C++ either :D
Do u wanna use scheme
you are correct. but I am stubborn, very much. and there is very little chance that anyone can persuade me to deal with anything that is not C.
I'm gonna try and learn some scheme
use whatever you like. Personally i write in python, bash, elisp
exactly.
but i don't reject software which use rust
I'm just a hobbyist so I usually go with Python
no, I didn't mean reject from political notion
I meant I don't want to learn rust programming
I use plenty rust software
I use Linux
it just add friction which i don't need
retvrn to tradition, reject C use COBOL
reject COBOL, x86 assembly
I think cobol is older than x86
COBOL is that not what alot ob old banks still use?
Ya and fortran
Xd
COBOL is that not what alot of old banks still use?
both fortran and cobol are maintained tbf
cobol is older
fortran is still used actively for scientific computing
the reject was abour going lower level
apparently the amount of banks still using old cobol code isn't really as high as you'd think given stuff was still being actively developed in it a lot until the 00s
the reject was about going lower level,not older languagw
Is there any particular reason?
i see
real programmers use a magnetised needle to programs 1s and 0s into the storage medium itself
XD
then reject assembly and try vhdl
Nah nah nah, they use butterflies.
what if you love on the poles XD
what if you live on the poles XD
Which ones?
I don't see myself as real programmer in the future. I just don't have enough free time to learn PROPERLY, so whatever I do will be hobby-grade. That being said - I might as well enjoy my hobby, and I have come to feel some love for C. MY experience is barely scratching the surface, but so far it is actually fun. So I really see no reason to swap a fun language for a different one without any valid reasoning behind such decision.
It's like "I want to learn to play guitar"
So it's just preference nothing else?
I personally don't like how Rust code looks.
it a couple of things. one thing is cargo.
And npm cargo, too.
C is so contained and simple, while Rust feels like open marketplace of blackboxes
isn't npm javascript?
I meant cargo is a bit like npm in that regard, when people tend to blindly import modules for everything.
ah
has cargo been hit by a supply chain attack yet?
Yep.
oof
JS is hellish
one of my programmer friends told me that "we no longer program like that", talking about C. he says that programmers today use frameworks and my way of thinking is obsolete
Not to the extent of npm of course but it happened.
U should write minimalist software
web development is so bloated though, CSS has like 3 incompatible ways to do the exact same way
Good use for c
Hackable extensible software
this is part of the reason modern software is horribly unoptimised
I know
I wish C didn't suck so much though.
Personally I will write my essays in latex my package manager in scheme and my config in lisp
what about golang? (iknow not favorite company but)
Golang Is cool
Hardened and secure golang
that's what I was thinking too.
now, I am not a liar so there will be disclaimer here ... a lot of work here was done by Claude
https://github.com/LinuxRenaissance/krode
but this is an example of minimal software that does what I need it to do.
Config in lisp? That's an interesting choice not gonna lie.
I think Emacs config is all in lisp
Cant remember tho
this too
https://github.com/LinuxRenaissance/batrun
Yep, but do you like it?
I haven't touched it yet got a computer coming to run guix on
this will be my first program that I have done with my own hands, but I am afraid to upload anything before it looks decent
https://github.com/LinuxRenaissance/khttpd
this will be my first C program that I have done with my own hands, but I am afraid to upload anything before it looks decent
https://github.com/LinuxRenaissance/khttpd
If I don't like guix which is likely I'll just use it for other stuff
Cause I don't really like nix either
I can review it when you think it's ready if you wish. Just ping me.
Can u write Tetris in c
I probably could aim for that
the question is do I have use from that
hehe hid the code that ashamed of it?
I do!
I'm really good at shitting on other people's code.
you will be the first to see it
U should see my github my code Is so bad it poisons copilot
https://github.com/iceblade92/First-Personal-Project-Bypass pest python code i ever made XD
Nixos config? Cursed
shit on that xD
Website? Horrific
I salute you.
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
Personally I will write my essays in latex my package manager in scheme and my config in lisp
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
I think Emacs config is all in lisp
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
U should see my github my code Is so bad it poisons copilot
In reply to waffles
U should see my github my code Is so bad it poisons copilot
In reply to @matt11:matrix.org
can't you write it in org mode with latex integratiin in emacs and write lisp directly in emacs?
it works,i wrote my own lab reports with org mode and exported to latex but for collaboration i had to change it,i forced them to use google sheets for realtime integration with my google drive, Unlimited space for university account.
I always say "Learn C first". It will teach you some things C++ tries to hide from you but does a bad job at it, and it also teaches discipline about managining your resources.
Then you can learn C++ if you want to. Most of your C knowledge will transfer over.
they say "learn rust so that there is no need for discipline"
That is stupid. Not all mistakes are about memory management.
Java is memory safe but I run into memory issues all the time
what that node thing that was written in zig and recently rewritten in rust
Bun?
yeah.
sound like bun
yesterday I was walking the park with one of my programmer friends and he was telling me a story about zig how fast it is
and how this node thing was rewittern in rust by claude
Duh, D is the best anyway.
I've heard about it
It's what C++ should've been.
memory management mistakes are a huge way for exploits to happen tho tbf
True but they're not the only way. Uutils will confirm.
The issue with C is that it allows making mistakes with memory management easier than it should be.
D++ when?
that sound like a curse on humanity
Since it's a postfix operator it's gonna be just D again.
does C have that operator?
Yep, that's why Bjorn should have named his lang ++C, maybe then something good would have come out of it.
In reply to @waffles:unredacted.org
Java is memory safe but I run into memory issues all the time
the C++ creator bjarne ?
Yeah, forgive my spelling.
ok was not sure you ment him or not
ocf danes dont know have to code XD
@darth:fosshq.org: if you'll ever want to use emacs for java(i like it but eclipse id available as well),eglot and treesitter are preinstalled since version 28.
I don't do java
but I did try eglot for C and I like it
Are you a tea person?
coffe.
coffee.
Must be some other reason then.
for java?
For not doing Java.
you guys are trying to tell me I should learn piano and saxophone and harfa while I am getting warmed up for the guitar, as a beginner musician
Linux Renaissance 🇭🇷: we are opposites,i only drink tea
basically the same hot water with flavor XD
you just described coffee as well,hot water with flavour,depending on the method you use
you just described coffee as well,hot water with flavour,depending on the method you use,americans only drink water colored coffee
you just described coffee as well,hot water with flavour,depending on the method you use,americans only drink coffee colored water
hehe
In reply to @darth:fosshq.org
you guys are trying to tell me I should learn piano and saxophone and harfa while I am getting warmed up for the guitar, as a beginner musician
test
hm off topic room not loading
there it goes
goodie i found a 256gb small ssd which can be put in the thinkpad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KCz3LBKJS4
15 years ago Ubuntu wanted to sell me that. And I was ready to pay for it.
Later I just forgot about it. I mean I’ve had this on my 2018 Huawei phone and it worked incredibly well. The only problem was that I never really needed this functionality.
Kudos to Google for being 15 years late and kudos to Apple for inventing this feature in 2030.
In reply to @darth:fosshq.org
Kudos to Google for being 15 years late and kudos to Apple for inventing this feature in 2030.
In reply to Linux Renaissance 🇭🇷
Kudos to Google for being 15 years late and kudos to Apple for inventing this feature in 2030.
In reply to Linux Renaissance 🇭🇷
Kudos to Google for being 15 years late and kudos to Apple for inventing this feature in 2030.
nah, that arrived too late to be relevant.
there was an lg and samsung mode as well but i Remember they talked about it with android 7
Samsung and Huawei have had desktop mode since a long time ago. They still have it.
Which phone brand do you guys use? Here in my country its’s all about Samsung and Apple. Huawei took the lead at one point but then USA removed Google from it and nobody wanted to buy Huawei anymore after that
In reply to @darth:fosshq.org
Which phone brand do you guys use? Here in my country its’s all about Samsung and Apple. Huawei took the lead at one point but then USA removed Google from it and nobody wanted to buy Huawei anymore after that
Mate 20 Pro
I still have it.
the best phone on the market but everyone at that price thought an iphone was better because Apple or the touchwiz crap just rebranded
I still think another good phone was the xiaomi mi mix 2
I still think another good phone was the xiaomi mi mix 2.
I just received ios update with some rcs changes and new pride wallpapers
pride wallpapers 💀
RCS doesn’t work here on iphone
pride wallpapers 💀?
No body
like i said mayn times i have google pixel 10
like i said many times i have google pixel 10
I have had three Samsung phones and all three of them needed at least two charges per day, sometimes three.
Huawei should have been the market leader by now but the us gov didn't like that and the hisilicon...
If you think about it, it might have one specific useful case. Take NexDock for example. This looks like a laptop, but there's no processor inside. No RAM, no storage, nothing. Just a display, a keyboard, a trackpad, and a battery. The whole point of this is to act as a way for you to easily use your phone as a computer on the go. You might say, "Well, isn't that the same as buying a laptop?" But, the difference is that I'll probably need to upgrade a laptop, but I would basically never need to upgrade this. This is a buy once, use forever tech product, which you don't see much these days.
your "upgrade" is on the phone
I buy new laptops all the time for 200-300 € but I don’t really need my phone all that much
Phone I use for phone calls and photos
personally i change laptop average once on 10 years so also i don't see benefit for me.
My benefit is “the search for a perfect laptop” which I can afford
If you think about it, it might have one specific useful use case. Take NexDock for example. This looks like a laptop, but there's no processor inside. No RAM, no storage, nothing. Just a display, a keyboard, a trackpad, and a battery. The whole point of this is to act as a way for you to easily use your phone as a computer on the go. You might say, "Well, isn't that the same as buying a laptop?" But, the difference is that I'll probably need to upgrade a laptop, but I would basically never need to upgrade this. This is a buy once, use forever tech product, which you don't see much these days.
maybe in 2026.
Perhaps I should start using Galaxy S8 again
I like its body
I'm lucky I bought the laptop before the price increase, so I have no worries. and I bought a Google Pixel at the time of the biggest discounts, now the new one costs only 300 PLN cheaper.
I haven’t bought a phone since 2018 so there is that
i still don't understand how nokia hmd went from phones like the nokia 8 /nokia 8 sirocco,nokia 9 or other good models to these models,only a couple of them are good in the last 3 years
my previous phone i get from some friend, asus zenphone where i had root and lineageos 20 (android 13) which had 6-7 years
HMD is a strange company
My favorite smartphone of all times was Nokia with Debian
Nokia N900? ;p
The next one
N9
HTC HD2 also was fine
To be frank here, I don’t like Android.
I don’t like iOS.
I don’t like Windows.
it was possible to change the system thanks to the modders.
Change to what? Hehe
To another OS I don’t like
meanwhile NexPhone: Android + Debian + Windows :D
you like Meego and zypper then?
That OS has been dead for 15 years so there is nothing to be said now
RiP
sad story
But honestly if I could chose the future direction then my choice would be a good ultrabook laptop + Nokia 1110 for calls.
around 2010 it was netbooks which had SIM slot
My laptops have it.
in usb i guess?
my own as well
In m.2
it's on the back on the dell models i know
it's on the back on the dell models i know.
On T480 it’s under the battery
In reply to @darth:fosshq.org
On T480 it’s under the battery
No big deal unless you swap the sim daily
It takes 5 sec to remove the battery
@darth:fosshq.org: have you ever used the card slot?
No because I need to pay for subscription in order for that to work. Also LTE modem that I have doesn’t have Linux driver
Getting a different modem is not a problem, but monthly subscription is
Guess I need to start watching systen crafters
Was waiting until I got this laptop but I should probbaly install Emacs first and learn how to use it
Samsung.
@waffles:unredacted.org: system crafters are really knowledgable about emacs but they are too deep into it sometimes and really precise for things you won't bother but unique content.
I might get Samsung again. I dislike this fruit company
In reply to @matt11:matrix.org
@waffles:unredacted.org: system crafters are really knowledgable about emacs but they are too deep into it sometimes and really precise for things you won't bother but unique content.
In reply to mattF11
@waffles:unredacted.org: system crafters are really knowledgable about emacs but they are too deep into it sometimes and really precise for things you won't bother but unique content.
Yeah I need to watch their videos
Samsung is cool but make sure you get their high end phones not the a series
I'm looking at switching to graphene OS once those motos come out kinda tired of googles bullshit
I've got a flip 6 rn kinda don't like it as much as I thought I would
I am actually considering ranking the phones by battery endurance and not the SoC specs.
S series Samsung phones are usually garbage overheating Exynos
Actually, what is even the benefit of S series vs A series? For real? What makes them worth 3x the price?
They both can do phone calls.
Battery is usually better on A series.
They both run same banking apps and chat.
Both are amoled
A series runs like dogwater
We will see on fall 2027 when I get the next chance to chose a phone.
They make phone calls slower?
I don't do anything intensive on my phone but it sucks at that too
If all you're doing is calls just get a dumbphone
I have it
Well there u go it makes calls
Don't need a Samsung for that
This is mine.
I try to use it, but there are steps to be made to get there. Major lifestyle changes.
Why ya ask for smartphone advice if you're just making calls
I use banking apps on smartphone. That is troublesome to use on a computer.
Ahhhh you DO need a smartphone
I use camera. I would have to buy a new camera
I guess u could get by with a a series if you're only using it to access your bank account and take photos
I listen to music in my car. I would need to make it work without a phone. Waze too
But if you're doing anything else it's not gonna fly
Oh waze that's probably gonna suck
Waze and music i can use my 2018 huawei for that
What exactly r u trying to do
It has broken screen but car connection should work
Ur use case went from calls to maps banking and music
This is a very complex topic, believe me. I am trying to find a way to get rid of smartphone entirely — without being a weirdo in my circles
Tbh I've thought about that but I use smartphone too much to kill it
Music is easy in car. That’s the cheapest fix
I can get away with graphene OS but not a dumb phone
If I were you I'd think longer about what ur actually going to do cause you may just be pissing money on a phone you don't need or want
What I can do is temporarily get rid of smartphone just to get a good measure on what I missed a lot
Write notes…
For example i take a shitload of photos, but when you check my gallery you will see that NONE of the photos matter except those from organized family trips
Everything else is garbage
Oof gonna need some speed to go through a massive gallery like that
Don't want ur phone crashing or running out of space
Yeah I should clean it up
Think about it though personally I think if you get a cheapass phone it's gonna run poorly and ur gonna have to upgrade it sooner rather than later
But if you get a used decent phone now it'll run for years without needing an upgrade
The s8 you have is probably way better than a a12
No, I have a different opinion: If I get a cheap phone that runs slow — it will help me to NOT want to use it. This adds positive points towards my true goal -> getting rid of smartphone addiction
I figured A57
Might work idk
Idk just get what u want who gives a shit it's a phpne
It doss phone things
Exactly
But A57 I get from my company for free
I mean if I want
Why you even ask
I didn’t pay for this iPhone euther
I didn’t pay for this iPhone either
You were locked in from the start there wasn't any choice
No, I can chose a phone
Whyd you bring up free work phone then
Cant beat free when you're already trying to get rid of a phone
Because I don’t use a personal phone at all :-)
I haven’t had any phone for years
Just do what u were already going to do there was no reason to bring this up at all lol
I mean my own
It’s not a bad topic :P
It would be if you had options
Causw that's something I've been thinking about myself but I'm actually going to go out and buy a phone
If you're just gonna take the free option and then throw it in the garbage when you finally switch to a dumbphone there's nothing to talk about
S8 has /e/OS on it. It’s not bad.
My S8 has /e/OS on it. It’s not bad.
I will buy a new lte modem for my laptop just to give it a try
I want to feel it if this is something i would enjoy having — a laptop that goes online without a phone
I want to feel it if this is something i would enjoy having — a laptop that goes online without a phone hotspot
The thinkpad I'm getting has a card slot for that but I don't really bring my laptop to places where I don't have wifi so it's probably not worth paying for cell service
And like you said I can just hotspot
Yeah I am not much different.
I believe the slot you have though is also usable as a NVMe ssd slot
Wifi everywhere
Cause we basically have the same laptop mines just bigger
On some laptops it is
I tried ssd in x1 carbon gen8 and it didn’t work
Didn’t try in x1 gen9 yet
This is for a t480 tho right
I tried ssd in x1 carbon gen8 and it didn’t work (WAN m.2)
I tried in one of my T480 too — didn’t work
Haven’t tried in the second one
Hm I'll try it out when it comes in should be here tomorrow
Mines got libreboot though not sure if that'll affect it
I don’t exactly need a second ssd, really. In x1 gen9 i have one 512GB ssd and it’s fine. I have 1TB unused in another laptop
Idk what this one comes with it has a 128 in it right now and I have options to either add a second one or swap it out
So not sure if it's a NVMe or a 2.5 or what
Swapping for bigger one is easier
I ordered some more ram for it too even though 8gb should be plenty
I actually can’t think of a reason why would I want TWO ssd’s on a laptop
For that I either do 1 media drive 1 boot drive or dual boot
Sometimes I want 2 linuxea
Maybe Linux and BSD
Dual boot can work with one ssd
Ya but I don't like to do it in case it breaks
Yes it may be easier with two
I like my stuff quarantined to its own drive
Perhaps I could put openbsd on second drive
I used to dual boot single drive way back in the day when I first started Linux
On non windows systems it's probably fine to do single drive dual boot but I just don't like fucking with it
but yeah thats a good idea i might dual boot guix and openbsd
after getting a nintendo 64 for my retro gaming setup people recommended i look into a MISTER
its a linux fpga that can hardware emulate a lot of retro consoles
I second higher end phones. My colleague got an A-smth, and it lacks options compared to mine, and even some of the preinstalled apps are not removable on his.
IDK if it's a tier or a region thing but it exists.
can remove apps via adb or whatever is called usb debug connection
if I get an S model again, it will have to be Qualcomm
I do not wish to have anything to do with Exynoss ever again.
https://www.protis.hr/products/details/samsung-galaxy-s26-12ram-256gb-de-black/286086
GSMarena sys Exynoss in EU
GSMarena says Exynoss in EU
25W charging lol
what did exynos do to u
it overheats A LOT
it throttles to lower speeds than A-series phones, because of heat
it drains 300% battery per day, because of heat
it's trach SoC.
it's trash SoC.
Exynos in Pixel is trash as well.
I am the customer - I demand Qualcomm.
oh i think u may be thinking of a different phone lol
if it's not Qualcomm then no deal.
my flip 6 battery lasts all day on a single charge with heavy use
I do not believe you. Unelss your Flip has Qualcomm.
yeah it has qualcommn
exactly.
solution: get the flip
Samsung with Qualcomm is a really good phone
but when i was checking reviews the s26 was supposed to beat out the flip in battery life
so id be surprised if u couldnt get a full day of battery
https://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test-v2.php3?idPhone=14320#show
I don't believe these numbers, but I do believe the differences between the phones they measured in the same way.
yeah the z lip 7 scores even lower
by a few hours actually
Xiaomi Poco X8 PRo MAx has insane battery endurance, but that's because it's 8500 mAh
Flip 7 is very low on this list
yeah and it should have better battery life than my flip 6 so expect good battery life
my moms got the 7 it lasts her all day
i checked, battery replacement in at a Google Pixel in repair shop would cost me 450 PLN. 120 PLN if you do it yourself, but that's impossible because the battery is more protected than in an iPhone, which is crazy.
I never really needed to replace a phone battery, to be fair, but I like how things are moving lately and we might get user-replacable batteries in phones agan (soon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipkz049baTY
https://youtu.be/-D1qFQyo8FE?t=165
this sytem is good enough for me. they can do this again on future phones
This is probably the most complicated replacement in Nokia I have ever seen.
yes it is, but generally I mean like two screwas and shake it to make the battery fall out - that would be perfect
And then it will die in a rain.
my Nokia from 2005 never died in a rain
my waterproof samsung stopped charging when it came to contact with water
the morale of the story: phones are not waterproof nor will they ever be
my mother's Nokia 6310 fell into the lake. she took it out in a couple of seconds and removed the battery and took it to me to see if it can be saved. I dried it, we bought a new battery and the phone lived for a couple more years
I gave my Lumia 1020 to my sister. she dumped it into the sink where she was washing hands. the phone never turned on after that
BTW my SAmsung was declared as waterproof so when it stopped charging after I got it wet I took it to Samsung service center and they replaced the charging module and screen for free under warranty.
Reality though is that manufacturers started glueing phones together for a reason.
I want them to unglue them.
And I want a billion dollars.
If they invent a better way to enable battery replacement then I'm all for it, but certainly not for going back in time when grass was greener and all that.
I did not mean that I am selfish. I meant that it is already happening (maybe) and if it does — I will be one of those who will steer towards manufacturers who will be the first in line to offer user replacable batteries
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-user-replaceable-batteries-2027-1793735
this is a very random article, I did not pick it by hand
it says here that water resistance will enable them to not be forced to offer user replacable batteries, though.
I just don't see "water resistance" as anything I care about.
I have it. I don't want it.
I don't see battery replacement either. 🤷♂️
to be fair, my last iphone went from 100% battery health to 90% health after 24 months
Phones usually become more or less obsolete in 4-5 years. Then you add software support and it won't be long until it's thrown away anyway.
This could enable graphene batteries for an exemption
Graphene batteries last for a lot of charge cycles
does it matter that samsung offers 7 years of software support?
I'm talking about general users of course, not half a percent of geeks who will install their own OS.
Yes I think 7 years is a good lifespan for a device
Google actually got into trouble for this with their Chromebooks
I have never actually used a smartphone for longer than 2 year. not that I remember anyway
They had to extend their lifespan because corporations that were using them said they were having to replace perfectly good devices because Google stopped supporting them after only a few years
that's when you buy bullshit
Phones are the same way you don't wanna throw away a 1000 dollar phone which works fine because you can't update it anymore
my wife's Macbook has long been unsupported by Apple and the only way you can get a new OS on it is to put Linux on it.
Ya and that's a thing Asahi is trying to do is prevent e-ewaste before it happens
my wife's MAc is x86
Apple is actually quite good at software support.
but her laptop is model 2015
Big companies are very Interested in it and offered to bankroll Asahi but they refused because something about money corrupts
With a Mac you should expect about 10 years of support
let me check how many years her laptop got
This Includes security updates
You may not get feature updates for 10 years but you should get security updates for 10 years
And a new laptop will be a rocket ship compared to a 10 year old one.
Eh that's mostly because software becomes more bloated over time not because the machine is bad
I checked. her laptop got 6 years of OS upgrades all the way to Monterey - and that OS stopped with security updates in 2024. so it's close to 10 years. 8-9 to be precise
For example software made for powermacs is extremely fast and runs as well as you'd expect pro software to run on a high end machine
It's about how well you optimize your software not how fast your computer is
her laptop is actually quite okay still in the role of a web browser :) but RAM is tight
That's something Linux does well is you can run a lightweight stack and make a 4th gen i5 a suitable daily driver in 2026
Emacs works well on it
Not only software. My Lunar Lake low power CPU was running circles around my high-end 2015 laptop both in CPU and graphics, all that while lasting about 8 times as long on one charge.
Ya but did you ask yourself if you could run a lighter stack on your new hardware to get parity
How will lighter stack make compiling faster? Games run faster?
If you're a workststion user that just needs a fuckload of power or a gamer or something sure you need better hardware
it depends on what you need the laptop for
But I can run gentoo on a Pentium fine
I can practice my C programming on my wife's laptop perfectly fine.
This isn't about you though it's about people who just need a computer to do computer shit
It's not like it's lacking RAM or something, it's just hardware progress is quite big, especially if you compare a 2015 Intel Mac with say an M5 one.
Like Renaissance mans wife she isn't a workstation user
I regularly sell computers with pentiums in them because people just don't need a powerhouse to check their email
my wife uses my floor PC now because the only thing she needs a computer at the moment is denoising her RAW photos. and she needs a good Nvidia card for that
I mean, my mom had an old Toshiba laptop and she said don't buy me a new one, she thought it was fine. I bought new one anyway, and boy she never touched her old one again.
My mom still runs an Acer laptop with a 6th gen i5 in it says she doesn't need anything better
She got a Chromebook anyways but still just uses the Acer
I love to upgrade to faster and more battery endurance. but at the same time I don't like throwing away stuff that works. either sell or gift to someone who needs
Yep, but if you buy her one which has better screen (I'm sure that old Acer doesn't have one), which will keep silent all the time, and will last a day on battery — she will notice.
She keeps it on a charger anyways
I don't believe I have ever heard of a person who uses Chromebook in my country.
But it has a rather large 1080p screen so its no slouch
like, literally never
Because it dies in an hour otherwise?
No she just uses it at a chair
She doesn't use a desktop her laptop is her desktop
Resolution has very little to do with screen quality.
That's why I mentioned size
But anyways don't talk about what my mom needs if you don't mind
Its bordering on offensive at this point
It's not. It is perfectly reasonable to discuss how new hardware may improve user experience, and I mentioned my mom as an example as well. IDK why you suddenly took this personally.
Youve made assumptions about her and her computer and what she wants and how she uses it
Where?
So I'm spending a lot of time explaining shit I shouldn't have to explain
Of course I made assumtions about her computer, but it's an inanimate object.
can I increade SVG picture resolution without loss?
Yeah I'd like you to stop if you could
Okay. 🤷♂️
Should be able to stretch it since it's a vector yeah
I have a Linux mom too
Idk how vector loss works though
I tried with Gimp and it's blurry
That shouldn't be happening
You may need to use inkscape for vectors thougu
I need this in 4K
inkscape, thanks
GIMP probably converts SVGs into raster when importing.
thanks a lot, inkscape saved the day
🎊
someone with an android tablet can install emacs,i don't know how you can compile a project/program but android support is there.
someone with an android tablet can install emacs,i don't know how you can compile a project/program but android support is there. The ultimate tablet experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPaXU9vaLu0
sometimes I tried covering "news"
In reply to @darth:fosshq.org
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPaXU9vaLu0
In reply to Linux Renaissance 🇭🇷
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPaXU9vaLu0
I heard about really good things coming in emacs 31,i'll wait for it to be available,every new thing and performance improvement in emacs is huge for me,maybe i'm a strange guy.
my fav feature comes from emacs 29, easy install plugins from source
package-vc-install
maybe i've done it before but i don't remember,i think ages ago when matlab-mode wasn't available for whatever reasin from melpa. Do you mean manually get the package,add it to a directory,add it to emacs and then try install it with the command?
saw once someone on a bus with a box in 2024
also i met that type of guy who needs a gaming laptop with 32gb ram because they need to have a million tabs open
slightly nicer look and more space and less weight
water resistant is still expensive
"umm actually it is user replaceable, i replaced my battery recently and i'm a user🤓 your statement is incorrect"
you want batteries to be hot swappable or accesible with simple tools
nice
Just build your own😂
3d printers and shit
lutris no longer shows gpu names for some reason and in dirt 4 i can only use 50% of my amd gpu and get fps drops even on lower graphics settings i will ask llm because probably no one had that issue here
weird
In reply to @kxiuhj:matrix.org
sent an image.
yeah, flatpak
i uninstalled gamescope flatpak extension and it's fixed... lol still shows no gpu but no fps drops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6MwzBwdl3o some bash history i found pleasant to watch
and it works once and then for no reason fps drops again but only if i bump into things or make cuts
i want a distro with no updates
Debian
even tried moving files to nvme and with a new wine prefix
yeah i'm on debian
Did you enable gpu acceleration in flatseal?
i know dirt 4 has a linux port but it's on a random russian site, but i will give it a try
well fitgirl is also just some russian dude but more people using it
i don't believe it would run at all without gpu acceleration, i even tried allowing all devices but it didn't change
it's so weird, it must be caused by an update
ok linux crack worked but i can't find any save files even with gnu find like wtf
i used to think that this game works well on linux in comparison to forza or other games
and career mode works offline
well there are also virtual machines and i can do it with igpu as second gpu but never tried because it has a learning curve
well there are also virtual machines and i can do it with igpu as second gpu but never tried because it has a difficult learning curve
however, it is difficult to navigate in desktop mode without mouse 😅
karboreal did you ask for support category on the forum? or was it someone else that I discussed this with
either way a support category is now live
https://forum.linuxrenaissance.com/c/support/10
Someone else
if you have legit trouble — give it a shot and grow some patience until the forum grows some members
does anyone knows what is going on with fonts here? I don't even know how to ask the search engine about this effect
fonts move one pixel left and right when I hover them
I figured it's 125% scaling issue so I switched to 100% to fix it. this is a recording of 100% DPI scaling so it's not fixed
I restarted web browser after changing scaling
My list is way smaller but…
oh damn. I though I made the list long for everyone. thanks
Anyway I see no such issues. GNOME, Chromium, 200% scaling.
Your font looks not OK even without those dancing letters. Just look at "CATEGORIES" and check how uneven T is on yours (way more space to the right) and how it's completely fine on mine.
you have categories now too
I need to go now. will continue this later. thanks
Yep. Still no issues on my end though.
Are you using Brave?
Yes but it seems to be ok in brave private so that’s odd
Tried force refresh?
Aka the no cache one?
ctrl+f5
crtl+shift+R
No effect?
nope. maybe brave gone mad
Does it work fine in Debian Chromium.
Does it work fine in Debian Chromium?
My guess was that Brave in a typical Chrome fashion embedded lots of stuff including the font rendering library, hence all this mess with font kerning and such. Debian builds Chromium with system libraries though.
IDK what happened but font on the forum changed, for the wosre.
Are you playing with it?
IDK what happened but font on the forum changed, for the worse.
yes, I changed the font on the website yesterday because it was too plain. so I applied it to the forum as well. and to peertube now. and I am building the same header for all three
it's supposed to feel a bit like renaissance but not too much
I asked my designer friend to verify what I did
with current font even brave is fine. but I installed chromium too so I can compare
welcome in new person
hello
Now it's freaking serif.
Omg noice
It actually looks good on web site
but when I applied it to forum I noticed it's "off"
I am searching for a small family of fonts that will give a Linux Renaissance vibe, that will not be generic-looking, that will be readable across all my sites, ah you get the point
Serif is traditionally used for really long texts. UI and smaller texts all use sans.
that's the problem. I want my blog to be pretty, readable, and to eventually be recognisable in typography and colors. same goes for forum and peertube
I think the one you had before was perfectly fine for the job, and Brave bugs shouldn't be a reason for such a change.
I wish I could give you access to my web, somehow. with little effort
brave wasn't a reason. I changed fonts yestarday
(Talking only about the forum.)
I guess some style sheets were chached.
I guess some style sheets were cached.
I know, but my aim is to have same font family everywhere. yesterday I decided what looks good on web page and today I transfered it to forum
some kind of compromise may be required. IDK yet
Those are different use cases though.
the problem is that I am not a designer and more than a couple of people told me that my elongated font looked like crap on the title
others tell me everything looks generic
someone else tells me fuck serif
see a pattern? I am not a designer who can design my own style and stand by that decision
actually, let's free up Linux room from this topic
Rainbow colored animated gothic font will definitely be non-generic, if that's your goal. 😄
hi !
are you a bsd user ? if yes what your favorite bsd ?
freebsd's my fav
cuz its just simple and has a lot of support
same, as it can game, support my hardware and it is true for the support,but one day i migt try netbsd and openbsd but right now i cant due to my hardware but i could on a vm
NetBSD would be cool to test on a 35 years old Amiga computer
true
amd openbsd look good for old thinkpad for people who want minilised and are concerned abouut security or for firewall
imo freebsd the best open source linux alternative
anything looks good for an old thinkpad imo
(thats not windows)
but i mean openbsd probably do not work well on modern hardware espcially laptop and not one with gu
but i mean openbsd probably do not work well on modern hardware espcially laptop and not one with a gpu
it works well on my PC
oh but mine is a laptop with nvidia
so openbsd is not supported for my hardware
and do wifi even work on openbsd ?
yeah its just hell
like one of the main prrmalty reason i wont use hurd too
i need wifi and graphic driver
in my experience i had to manually edit configs like /etc/resolv.conf and such
ohh ... yeah ,,,, i will keep using freebsd and linux for now ....
do yall think making a book about making a distro from the ground up (not systemd) was a good idea and do yall want the link?
its battletested
yes, that could be great
a lfs but without systemd look fire
yeah nooo its not like lfs at all u can make it much quicker but teaches u more id say
ok still good
but image a bsd from stract
is that even possible
yeah just no resources online to understand how itd work
they use 4.4bsd lite if u want to know tho
they use 4.4bsd lite kernel if u want to know tho
I think enabling GameMode fixed weird fps drops so it's actually important
wow so professional
it will never be as big as it would be on reddit
because people are lazy
like almost every other site nowadays, doesn't stand out but it looks fine
If i knew how to design it better i would do it.
My goal is to give people a reason to quit Reddit.
I may fail, but I sure will try.
One thing I cannot replicate is Reddit addiction. People who are addicted to Reddit will remain addicted until they make a decision.
In reply to @darth:fosshq.org
My goal is to give people a reason to quit Reddit.
is it a full set of coreutils or just some particular ones?
it's these:
https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/rust-coreutils/filelist
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/[
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/arch
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/b2sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/b3sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/base32
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/base64
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/basename
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/cat
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/chcon
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/chgrp
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/chmod
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/chown
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/chroot
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/cksum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/comm
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/cp
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/csplit
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/cut
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/date
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/dd
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/df
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/dir
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/dircolors
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/dirname
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/du
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/echo
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/env
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/expand
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/expr
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/false
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/fmt
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/fold
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/groups
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/hashsum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/head
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/hostid
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/id
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/install
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/join
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/link
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/ln
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/logname
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/ls
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/md5sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/mkdir
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/mkfifo
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/mknod
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/mktemp
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/mv
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/nice
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/nl
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/nohup
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/nproc
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/numfmt
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/od
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/paste
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/pathchk
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/pinky
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/pr
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/printenv
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/printf
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/ptx
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/pwd
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/readlink
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/realpath
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/relpath
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/rm
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/rmdir
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/runcon
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/seq
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha1sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha224sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha256sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha3-224sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha3-256sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha3-384sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha3-512sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha384sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha3sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha512sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/shake128sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/shake256sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/shred
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/shuf
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sleep
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sort
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/split
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/stat
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/stdbuf
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sum
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sync
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/tac
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/tail
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/tee
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/test
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/timeout
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/touch
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/tr
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/true
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/truncate
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/tsort
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/tty
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/uname
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/unexpand
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/uniq
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/unlink
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/users
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/vdir
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/wc
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/who
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/whoami
/usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/yes
yes people are powered by addiction and can't do anything without it
normal life is too boring for them
Side Topic:
I used my laptop/notebooks last time, i was very long time offline. Funny story, the same time period i also do not used one of my windows notebooks.
Linux Endeavour OS = 1 update fail after 6 months of absence
Linux Debian OS = all updates perfect updated
Windows 10 = blue scren 9x
windows 11 = 8 blue screen
linux arch = 1 blue screen penguin
windows xp = no updates work offline in ethernet, after connecting to internet packs 3 upgrade
Linux WIN XP Project = no updates dead project works perfect
I love linux but i need to learn BSD and MS Dos
do you mean real life ?
and facts ?
aka outside their echo chamber
and touching grass sometime
by i mean outide and real people not just people on the internet
i may lack some of these ...
i am too much of a introvert
irl
but at least it is better than just arguing with a chatbot ....
``` ggml_cuda_init: found 2 CUDA devices (Total VRAM: 17085 MiB): Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes, VRAM: 5920 MiB Device 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, compute capability 6.1, VMM: yes, VRAM: 11165 MiB | model | size | params | backend | ngl | threads | n_batch | n_ubatch | type_k | type_v | fa | mmap | fitt | fitc | test | t/s | | ------------------------------ | ---------: | ---------: | ---------- | --: | ------: | ------: | -------: | -----: | -----: | --: | ---: | ---------: | ----------: | --------------: | -------------------: | | qwen35moe 35B.A3B Q8_0 | 35.15 GiB | 35.51 B | CUDA | -1 | 4 | 4096 | 4096 | q8_0 | q8_0 | 1 | 0 | 1024 | 262144 | pp8192 | 491.85 ± 0.00 | build: 569962358 (9483) ``` My own fork for llama.cpp cuda-6.1 (7.5 too)
🤭
Perfect stack for very cheep ~250$ AI programming (256k contest)
I think you need to edit and put the comment on the top before the first ticks. and then remove the bottom ticks. then it will format properly
ggml_cuda_init: found 2 CUDA devices (Total VRAM: 17085 MiB):
Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes, VRAM: 5920 MiB
Device 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, compute capability 6.1, VMM: yes, VRAM: 11165 MiB
| model | size | params | backend | ngl | threads | n_batch | n_ubatch | type_k | type_v | fa | mmap | fitt | fitc | test | t/s |
| ------------------------------ | ---------: | ---------: | ---------- | --: | ------: | ------: | -------: | -----: | -----: | --: | ---: | ---------: | ----------: | --------------: | -------------------: |
| qwen35moe 35B.A3B Q8_0 | 35.15 GiB | 35.51 B | CUDA | -1 | 4 | 4096 | 4096 | q8_0 | q8_0 | 1 | 0 | 1024 | 262144 | pp8192 | 491.85 ± 0.00 |
build: 569962358 (9483)
My own fork for llama.cpp cuda-6.1 (7.5 too)
(Just testing)
I just copied and pasted that message and it worked just fine as it should have. I guess that's a client bug on their side.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/alvr:
from a quick look im 99% sure this is malware. krisztinavarga took over the package and made a commit with the git name PLYSHKA, impersonating the previous legitimate maintainer. the NPM package atomic-lockfile that it installs in /tmp was published yesterday and runs a preinstall install script ./src/hooks/deps which is a rust binary. i don't know what that binary does but i can't see a legitimate reason any of that would've happened.
https://www.npmjs.com/package/atomic-lockfile
edit: yeah just looking at the strings of the deps binary it seems it's an info stealer to grab cookies, discord auth tokens, etc
🥱
Also: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1077035/c7e7c14fbd60fae9/